Interview with Kwan Lee

Kwan is a Senior Systema Instructor for

Vladimir Vasiliev and Mikhail Ryabko and

is the Director of Russian Martial Art

Arizona. He is also the Chief Mechanical

Engineer for ExecuSpec Inc. and a Senior

Analyst for the U.S. Army's Future

Combat Systems Program.

Q: What have you learned about the

roots and history of the Russian

Orthodox Church and its traditional practices that might help

lay people, non-Russians and non-specialists to get a glimmer

of understanding of this profound culture and faith?

A: It has been said that the healthy soul is constantly returning

to a state of wonder and awe. Without humility, we cannot be

truly awed, and when we are incapable of becoming awed, we

fail to be inspired. When we lack inspiration, we generally lack

hope. Humility plays an essential role in Systema Breathing. To

understand the heart of this method, one must look to the heart

of the Christian Orthodox Faith.

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Orthodox Russians have adhered to a very practical way of belief

that has been thriving since the First Century; an existential fusion

of theology and the Unknown that facilitates the participation in

the mysteries of God while emphasizing a humble and clean

Tradition.

While many in the non-Orthodox world would attribute the worst

sins as being corporal, the one thing to understand about Orthodoxy

is its condemnation of pride as the life-killing and most egregious sin.

Also high on the list is the lack of hope, or despair. To combat such

formidable adversaries, the Faith provides a comprehensive way of life

centered on humility.

The church is a pivotal part of an Orthodox Christian's life, and even

its architecture is designed to command respect for things Holy. When

walking into a traditionally built Russian Orthodox church, we can

immediately feel that the floor plan and services performed take the

focus off of ourselves and help us to be mindful of why we are there.

Everywhere around us, we see Holy icons, strategically placed to

expedite the connection between the faithful and God. Each is

free to walk around the building during services to make offerings

of lit candles and make prayers, venerating the saints and Holy

figures depicted through icons. The beautifully constructed and

ornamented churches and chapels remind the faithful of the

immense beauty in the Kingdom of Heaven and serve to put

those that enter the grounds into a state of awe and humility.

There are no benches in a Russian Orthodox Church (except for

a couple for the elderly and the sick). The entire two or more

hours of service are done standing up, so that the participants

are more attuned to the spiritual work of the prayers.

the church, throughout the day, beautiful prayers, which usually

begin and end with a humble supplication to God, are recited

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that articulate everything from remembrance to poignant pleas

for mercy. For many in Russia who lived through the atrocities of

war and the evils of the Soviet regime, praying to God became

the only solace in life. Their conviction doubled as they silently

and secretly prayed with humility in a world bereft of hope.

This prayer life continues today in homes, churches, chapels,

and monasteries as Orthodoxy again takes its place at the

forefront of Russian life.

Centuries ago, a group of ascetic Orthodox monks perfected a

way of prayer that utilized specific breathing methods in a

practice called Hesychasm, and to this day, their system of

breathing and posture is used in prayer to facilitate a deeper

connection with God. Systema Breathing is based on many of

these breathing practices.

Q: In what ways has your practice of Systema Breathing

reinforced your spirituality or informed your Christian

understanding?

A: It should be obvious by now that Systema and Breathing

Method as taught by Vladimir and Mikhail are deeply faith-

based and require a good bit of humility in order to achieve any

degree of success. As with the Hesychastic methods of breathing,

a similar purpose in my prayer life.

In performing these exercises over the first year, my body began

to know more of its potential, and I was able to develop greater

awareness and control over it. With practice, not only was I able

to function better in the combative aspects of Systema, but I was

also able to use this awareness and control in prayer to get into a

zone of complete concentration, with my mind less distracted

and the residual tensions within my body gradually melted away.

Prayer became a more heightened and illuminated mental state-

a concerted and harmonized effort, which serves to unlock the

doors to the heart.

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There is a peaceful centering to this Breathing Method that

begins to affect all areas of your life. The process is like polishing

a lens to remove all aberrations so that there is complete clarity

and focus on what you are choosing to look at.

Qj Conversely, what insights from spirituality can you offer

that might help people understand the breath training?

A: St. Makariy of Optina Monastery advises in the following way:

"Pray simply. Do not expect to find in your heart any

remarkable gift of prayer. Consider yourself unworthy of it. Then

you will find peace."

You could almost change out "prayer" with "breathing" or "pray"

with "breathe." Perhaps this is the humility that drives us to ask

our breath (in this work and in the other areas of our lives).

We often choose to rely solely on our own strength and wit to

pull us through hard times or to break through the limits of our

abilities. Usually, what we can muster on our own falls drastically

short of what is truly attainable. This is especially true with

Systema Breathing. As Vladimir and Mikhail teach, the best way

to go past these uncomfortable ceilings is to trust in God and

humbly ask for help when we meet the toughest parts of the

exercises (or life). I have found that if you push yourself to a point

of utter powerlessness, you will have the opportunity to expand

your potential by just asking God for mercy. It actually has a

calming effect. You will become more relaxed and less fearful of

proceeding further. The process is simple but very enlightening,

and I am constantly amazed at the results I see in myself and in

others when we give ourselves completely over to it.

Q: As a teacher of "Systema", the Russian martial art training

what have you found to be the most difficult or challenging

aspect of Systema Breathing for new students to learn, and

what have you found most effective in helping new students

overcome those initial hurdles?

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A: We all have days when the work is enjoyable and other days

when the work is unusually tough to grasp or perform due to a

mental block, lack of sleep, poor conditioning of unused muscle

inquisitive mind, a humble attitude, and a bit of dedication, you

will do very well.

Outside of its use in daily life, I can see the culmination of

Systema Breathing in its application to training. When you take

a few blows to the solar plexus, you find very quickly that the

principles of this Method can help you overcome your fears of

getting hit as well as dispersing the shock and related pain. It is

fascinating how adaptable Systema really is to virtually any

human situation or task ranging from resting to fighting.

As for the difficulties in Systema Breathing that I have noticed

in new students, I would say that a big hurdle is a problem with

perception.

Most novice students find it hard to see the breathing process as

something material enough to control and the breath as

something that can be "pushed through" tense spots of the body.

Here, specific action is as important as visualization. As Mikhail

suggests for the beginner, making the breath audible or slightly

restricting it will give the breath substance and a transportable

quality. You will see this as you experiment with these ideas in a

variety of physical scenarios.

Many students choose to leave the work in the gym and forget

that these breathing methods should be applied throughout the

day for maximum results. There is conditioning that builds with

continued application of these exercises, and it is important that

Finally, I have noticed, especially in the West, that we have been

conditioned by society to marginalize the role of God in our

lives to such an extent that many tend to close up when they are

asked to pray to God in training. If this is a problem for you,

and you would still like a glimpse of the effects of how pleading

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for mercy can impact this training, try it just a few times - take

yourself to the breaking point in one of the breath-holding

exercises and start saying 'Lord have mercy" in your mind. Do not

let pride prevent you from doing this, you will be glad you tried.

Q: You have trained in Russia on several occasions. What

people or events particularly struck you there and deepened

your understanding of the work?

A: Without singling out a specific event, I would say that the

people that we met within Mikhail's circle (and many outside of

it) were remarkably genuine and warm. The main difference that

I noticed is that, more often than in my experiences in the

States, once training began, the people did not change. If the

person were naturally serious in demeanor, he/she had this

attitude in training, and if the person had a great sense of

humor, this manifested itself as well. There was no need to invite

excess tension into our bodies by trying to be something else—no

need to imitate a monkey, mantis, or marsupial, in order to be

effective. To me, this reinforced the idea in Russian Martial Art

in every way-to live and train without delusion, with love for

one another, and with true reverence to the Holy.

Russians, especially Mikhail's students, are a very faithful, loyal,

and persevering people - an inspiring model for living Systema

in and out of the training hall.

Q: What advice would you give to a person approaching the

practice of Systema Breathing for the first time?

A: The path is simple, but the work can be tough psychologically,

at times pushing you into very challenging territory. Never give

up. Sometimes it is necessary to endure a bit of chaos to get to

the underlying truths represented in Systema Breathing. If you

keep an open mind and experiment outside of the basic

guidelines, you will enjoy the work even more.

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Also, as with prayer, there is a discipline involved in securing the

necessary time to devote to this work. Make an effort to find

that time throughout your day and immerse yourself completely.

Be diligent with the exercises, but increase the intensity gradually

lest you may push yourself too hard and burn out before

realizing your potential.

Finally, do not be lazy. As the masters say, try not to like

yourself too much and you w